Midlife Weight Loss | Why It's a Behavioral Problem, Not a Food Problem

0:00 SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, it's Hillary and Sana from WTF Just Happened, and we are so excited to have our special guest today. This is Cassie, and I'm gonna give her her little shout out. And I cannot even tell you guys how excited I am for this conversation. And you will understand why in a few minutes. So we have Cassie on today, who is a clinical mental health counselor, a mom of three. You look amazing. Two of she's got twins, which is insane. She's an army wife who has lost 115 pounds. So I can just give you the applause button right now.

0:40 SPEAKER_01: Oh, we need like a button that you press and it just like the applause. I mean, it's like and then figured out why it all finally works. So after 10 years of starting over every Monday, and you'll hear about this, she was sitting in grad school studying eating disorders when it finally clicked. She'd been treating a behavior problem like a food problem the entire time. Now she teaches women over 40 how to stop fighting themselves around food and make weight loss automatic. She's kept the weight off for almost two years, eats dessert and lettuce days, and will tell you she's actually lost about 500 pounds total.

1:17 SPEAKER_01: These are just the 115 pounds she decided to keep off. So I love it. Welcome. Okay. That was so exciting. And um I think I've heard this on many podcasts where weight has been my struggle honestly since middle school.

1:34 SPEAKER_00: Oh, all of us. Right. I just joined Weight Watchers like no less than 20 times in my whole in my life, along with everything else.

1:40 SPEAKER_01: Oh, that is not all there's literally not a diet I haven't done when growing up with your right over the years. So so welcome. We're so happy to have you here. Yeah, I'm happy to have you so much. I'm excited to be here.

1:54 SPEAKER_00: We're so excited. Um, so we're just gonna kind of pass it over to you. We're just gonna see if we can have a little bit of your your story, your background, um, and then we'll just kind of dive into um just some questions on, you know, um a little bit deeper dive into your journey and you know how you can help um us. Yes, and our specifically, yeah, but our entire audience. And uh, and that's who we are. We're all mostly women over 40 and in midlife and um middle, all the things. Menopause, peri post menopause, pre-all the things.

2:29 SPEAKER_00: So take it away. Happy you're here.

2:33 SPEAKER_02: No, thank you. I love it. And yes, we're all a hot mess over here, and it's weird because the game just shifted so much. All the things that I could do in my 20s just kind of stopped working overnight. And I feel like that's like true for every woman I ever talked to. It's like they know how to lose weight, but like yeah, everything shifted. The math around all of it just completely changed. And I feel like, um, I don't know, I feel like my story really doesn't start when I was 254 pounds. It's it's not that I was failing at life, you know.

3:06 SPEAKER_02: I feel like I was just kicking buttons, so many different things. I had a business, I had three small kids, I went through three long deployments, you know. And here I'm in Utah, surrounded by all these Air Force people, and I've said to jerks, I'm like, your deployment's like three months, calm down. And we were going like year-long deployments. Yeah. No, but I mean, I did all of this, and you know, I've lived in nine different states. Like I I went to grad school, I can do hard things. Like, I was not failing at life, and I just it's so hard because this very visible thing that I wear was something I was failing at.

3:46 SPEAKER_02: And it's like that that's just the hardest part of it all is like this psychological effect that it's like I'm wearing my biggest failure and everyone can see it. And I know I'm a therapist and I'm a human. I know that that's not the first thing we think about a person, but it's the first thing I think about myself. I look in the mirror, that's the first thing I judge myself on, you know. I think I think the hardest part about all of this is that I I thought this for 10 years. I just always was starting over.

4:16 SPEAKER_02: I mean, you said middle school. I easily have diary entries from when I was 10 years old, wanting to lose weight, you know. Did I need to lose weight? No, but we're like all born brain damaged, I think.

4:28 SPEAKER_01: No, well, I think we were raised also right, just the society talked about this with her parents. Yeah, my mom was hard. Her grandparents and sorry, mom, I'm gonna shout this out, but she would eat a cookie over the sink and spit it out, and she didn't have an actual eating disorder, but her mom was really hard on her about weight. Yeah, yeah, really hard on her, and it just kind of she, you know, she did the best she could. But like you said, is I don't go out and judge other women based on how they look, but I'm constantly looking in the mirror and saying, This doesn't, and it's not even how I looked, it's how you know I don't feel comfortable.

5:02 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just want to be comfortable in my clothing. Yes, and I want to hold gracefully, and I know that having extra weight on my body is harder on my joints and my bones, and yeah, but it is it's hard when you're like, I'm doing all the things. Like you said, you're succeeding at life, but it's still the one thing you can't solve. Yeah.

5:21 SPEAKER_00: And I like our generation too of um oh, I'm Gen X. We have already had this suspicion, but um the number on the stupid scale. Um, are you freaking kidding me that that still skips it? I can still remember the number. It's 142 pounds. And I was like in my 20s, and I remember feeling so good, and I'm pretty much five nine. I think I'm a little shorter now, but like that's that's lame pretty frequent. Yeah. And but I was like, oh, I button up everything, and I was just like, oh my gosh, and then you know, obviously careers and kids and weight and Mexican food and all the things, you know, margaritas, margaritas, yeah.

6:01 SPEAKER_00: Enter, you know, yummy alcohol and uh yummy, you know, tr food and drinks and parties and and holidays, but so yeah, so how um where did you where was the turning point for you?

6:15 SPEAKER_02: You know, I feel like that's a good question because I don't know exactly when. It's not like I hit rock bottom all of a sudden and I just figured it out, like all the way on. I mean, there were some things, obviously. I do think that there was like a moment when I was like realizing that my question had shifted, and instead of being like, How do I lose weight? It kind of became like, what's wrong with me? You know? And I I think that question is kind of what left me a little bit broken feeling and kind of left me stuck because I'm no longer asking effective, helpful questions.

6:50 SPEAKER_02: And I feel like a lot of people get that. Um I laugh about this because I do think that this might have been, if I were to pinpoint one thing, I think this might be the turning point. But I'm sitting in grad school, I'm reading this textbook, we're studying eating disorders, and I'm kind of laughing to my husband. I'm like, oh my gosh, I think I have an eating disorder. And he kind of laughs because like I don't have a disorder, you know. Right. Um, except that I'm reading the list, and it's like, oh, yeah, wait, I do all of these things, like this extreme restriction, like labeling food good or bad, you know, like hiding because I don't want people to see how I really eat, and you know, like as if they can't see it, but like, you know, and all of a sudden I was like, that's not a disorder, that's weight watchers.

7:37 SPEAKER_02: No, I mean every diet I've ever done is all about restriction. And the craziest thing is that's actually what leads to disordered eating. And I want to be clear, I didn't actually have an eating disorder, but it when I when I thought about it in that frame of mind, I started to realize that like this is a behavior problem, I can fix a behavior problem, you know.

7:58 SPEAKER_01: That's actually huge because I I mean you just nail on the head. I remember as a child, and let's say, you know, high school, we had this little pantry, it was probably maybe middle school, but I would go sit in it because I didn't want to eat, let's say, a cheese it. Well, we didn't probably have really bad food in our house, but whatever the little extra was, is I and that's become a repetitive pattern. The same thing is if someone's not seeing you eat it, it doesn't actually make it real. And so that kind of like mentality, where it is, it's just because I mean I can have Sean and I have done like a wee cleanse, a water cleanse, and it's not for weight loss, but it's more of let's say, you know, just trying to like write our bodies after we've come back, let's say from Mexico.

8:40 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. I can't do that. I actually have the willpower and the fortitude to get through that week, but dang, when that week is over, it's just back to that same behavior.

8:51 SPEAKER_02: Yes. Oh, it's not the truth. And if you're if you're sitting there thinking, like, okay, this is how I'm gonna eat to lose the weight, and then you're thinking of a different way to maintain it, that's you you've already messed up. Like, there's if you're not planning to eat in a way that you can sustain forever, it's not gonna last forever. And like, I don't know if you're like me, and I feel like m almost all of the women that I've coached, which you know is over 2,000 at this point, they're all the same.

9:21 SPEAKER_02: Like, we could write the book on dieting. We understand macros, we understand that's true. Yes, we know all the things to do. That we don't have a knowledge problem. We have we do have we've labeled food as good or bad. And the problem is, is like it is serving a function. What is that function it's serving? And what are we really needing? Like, are we actually hungry? And I think that's like the real question that it boils down to is like we're using food to feel something that maybe needs something else.

9:53 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, right. Because I mean it is very euphoric, right? Oh, I mean, I'm not a piece of broccoli being like, oh my gosh, this is this is scary. My my molecules in my body. No, it's giving me that euphoria of like a cookie does. No, right? Or a little ice cream, right? So it's I mean, I know I need that broccoli, but it does not feel the same. There's no dopamine hit with it. Yeah. There is never dope meat hit with a piece. I mean, you know, right, I've yet it. So okay, so you started. So tell me a little bit.

10:27 SPEAKER_01: You're talking about you about over 2,000 women. And it's probably similar to our stories, is it's kind of like they've tried everything. Yeah. It's just so how how do you, and we might be jumping ahead a little bit, but then good. How do you like change that if it's a behavior issue? How did we start on that path of thinking that way?

10:51 SPEAKER_02: That that that's the million-dollar question, right? Because it's like food has been serving a purpose for a really long time. What is the purpose? Like, what what is it? And I I will say I something that's interesting to me that I I had this like thought as I was like putting weightless to cast weightless with Cassie all together, is that it listen, okay, just full disclaimer here. Like, I'm not a doctor, no physician, I can't prescribe anything. I hormones absolutely matter. Uh PCUS is real. I have it, thyroidism is a real thing.

11:25 SPEAKER_02: Like all of these things require like actual medical attention. The thing that like we deal with and that's makes it so much harder after 40 is we have 20 years of evidence of failure, and that starts to weigh on you when you start to realize that you just go into it thinking you're gonna fail.

11:45 SPEAKER_01: Right, because you've never been successful. Well, at least I'm gonna speak for myself. I've never I've gotten close. Yeah, we had a quick combo before the we started recording. I got within 15 pounds, and granted, I don't care about a scale per se, and I'll I was telling Sada this earlier, is I have a double-edged sword with a scale, is I get on, and if it's actually lighter than I thought, because my brain is messed up, is I'm like, oh, okay. We can go out tonight. I can, yes, I can have the that's not for whatever reason, my mental disability that doesn't spur me on to be like I'm 15 pounds away from where maybe I think I want to be.

12:25 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm feeling really good with my clothes, and I can see like the end because I haven't gotten there, I go the other way. And whether it's intentional or unintentional, like that's why the scale for me is so hard. Yeah. But I have this number where I think if I can get within it, the number. I'm gonna put the number, I'm gonna be more comfortable in my and I try and do my stuff by clothing. Like I'm that's what I like. My jeans now, or I'm like, oh, these are a little snug. Uh-huh. And these weren't snug months ago.

12:55 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. So obviously the scale has gone up because I did get on the scale, and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I've put 15 pounds back on, so now I'm back to need to lose about let's say 30 pounds. And it comes fast. So and now right I'm six months into two-minute problems. Wait, like overnight. Yeah. And I'm not doing anything different. So I know you said hormones play a role. Absolutely. Is it because just everything's slowing down?

13:20 SPEAKER_02: I mean, the irony is the science on this, and I won't bore you with all the details, but like suffice to say, I could just bombard your feed with a million podcasts on this. It doesn't slow down as much as we think, but it's so in our brain, and we're hearing it over and over again. And I cannot even begin to tell you the way that we talk to ourselves and the the information that we consume, it affects every aspect of our life. And the I feel like the biggest thing I teach is I'm not really teaching weight loss, I'm teaching women how to stop quitting because that's the biggest thing is like everything becomes a reward or a punishment, and you're never just living your life, you know.

13:59 SPEAKER_02: And here's the irony is that when I actually decided, it's been a little over four years ago that I was like, okay, I'm doing this, like I'm done, I'm over this. I had been Cassie on a diet, like that was my persona for my whole life. Like my friends, I'd always wrote my friends into challenges and like we were always doing, like going walking together and like sending each other our skill shots and like, oh my gosh, I'm Cassie on a diet, always, always talking about it. Yeah, I just got quiet. I put my head down, I didn't tell anyone.

14:31 SPEAKER_02: I stopped talking about it and I was like, I'm just doing it. And I'm I'm no longer gonna just like I I would consume so many podcasts, so many YouTube videos, always watching people's transformation, always looking for the right motivation, the right plan, the right T, the right whatever.

14:48 SPEAKER_00: Like scrolling is if something is gonna be like the trigger that day to be like, okay, I'm getting off the couch, and today's the day I'm gonna walk three miles. I like my mind that when I'm scrolling, and it's terrible for us, doom scrolling, that I'm going to like cross some transformation that is going to be like that's the one. I the and like it's never happened, and we've been scrolling for years.

15:13 SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly. Yeah, but it does satisfy that little piece of your brain that's like, I need to do something about this. So reading about yes, reading about it, planning for it, it's like high-level procrastination because you're not actually doing the thing, you know, you're like planning, but it feels like you're doing something useful and worthwhile. And so it kind of satisfies that part of your brain, and you kind of check out, you know.

15:39 SPEAKER_00: So that is me too. It's me, actually, that you just said that. That's very interesting. I'm like, me scrolling is like um kind of like a it gives me that. I don't know, is it like a dopamine where I'm like, okay, yeah, they did it, I can do it. What should I start to do? Like maybe it kind of stirs a little bit, and then yeah, it's like I I mean, I think I have a lot of like grief that I'm still handling, but I'm I'm like, what is going to actually like click for me to like get off the couch and get out of the house and stop scrolling?

16:12 SPEAKER_00: Like, but that is as I scroll, it is a little bit like I want something. I'm like, I'm starting to I'm starting to do something. Yeah.

16:21 SPEAKER_03: Yeah.

16:21 SPEAKER_01: It count. So you it's your world, you go quiet and you do what differently this time.

16:29 SPEAKER_02: I I realized that everything I'd ever done, literally everything had an end. It all had a timeline and it all had an end. And I was like, I am the girl, I will shout this forever. I love dessert. Like my kids, you know, whenever like I'd go to their school and you you have to like guess the mom because the kids wrote stuff about the or whatever, like I'd write and the kids would have to guess it who their mom is. It would always be like, What's your favorite food? And I'd always put dessert. My kids always knew it was me.

16:58 SPEAKER_02: Cause like that's so cute. That's my favorite food.

17:04 SPEAKER_02: Right. But it's like the second you're like that food is bad, my brain becomes obsessed. That's how our brains work. The second you say you can't have a thing, your brain's gonna obsess on that thing, and then you're gonna like crave it even more. Like if I tell you, don't think about an elephant, all you can think about is an elephant. But if I really get you focused on this tiger over here, the elephant becomes unimportant, you know? And that's where like that's when I I mean, I didn't have this.

17:33 SPEAKER_02: Is the thing that's cool about therapy, is I feel like going back to school later in life. I was in my late 30s. That was I thought I was gonna be this old lady going back to school. Turns out I was actually one of the younger ones, so it's very popular to become a therapist later in life.

17:50 SPEAKER_01: I didn't go back and get my graduate degree. No, you're gonna finish my actual degree.

17:54 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you finish, and that's amazing. That's awesome. With the herd girls, her and her girls like all kind of finished together.

18:01 SPEAKER_02: Hardcore. Good for you, and what a fun memory to make.

18:05 SPEAKER_01: And we all went to boise state. But it was um, yeah, I wanted to, it was one of those things that I was very, and this kind of actually goes in line with dieting, is I was not at when I was younger, it was very easy on myself and I would not finish things all the time. And so I went to college, I fooled around, I was having a really good time, very long.

18:31 SPEAKER_01: College was great, started it. I started it. We didn't start calling college, I went to a junior college because I had met the but had a was having a great time, and then I got serious and actually transferred to San Francisco State, and then met my first husband, started working, being very like that took off. I'm like, what do I need this for? And then I never went back, and I was so close, and then my oldest daughter was about a year and a half away from graduating, right? And I had always said I'm gonna go finish before my girls finish.

19:06 SPEAKER_01: Or and I was like, Oh, Ashley's finishing. I need to like I need to go.

19:12 SPEAKER_01: I had, I had, um, I okay, no, actually sad. I had 10 credits left. Ten credits. I was like, Boy, state said, you have 110 credits, you know that's 120 to graduate. So I didn't, but I didn't get my graduate degree, but I did go back. Honestly, that's actually a good point. If I can finish my degree going right, I can totally do this. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we like for the first time in my life, if I was able to think about that, I did something that was really hard, working full-time, raising children.

19:45 SPEAKER_01: Yes, and I finished my undergraduate. Yeah, amazing. And I can do this. Yeah, okay. So keep going with that. So you're so you go back as an adult, yeah, you go back and get tragedy, which is commendable. So kudos to you. More therapists in this world. Oh, I would love therapy.

20:04 SPEAKER_02: That's a whole other thing. I know. I love it. I feel like it gave me the language that I needed to like conceptualize the things that I was like, I could feel it, I could sense it, but it didn't have words for it, you know? And all of a sudden I was like, whatever I do, I have to eat this way for the rest of my life. Am I realistically gonna cut out carbs and pasta for the rest of my life? No way in hell. Like that's never gonna happen. I'm not cutting out, I'm not cutting out dessert. Not gonna happen.

20:32 SPEAKER_02: So what can I realistically do? And that's that's where like I started to introduce the tiger, where I'm like, I have to stop thinking about this, this dang elephant in the room that like consumes my whole life. Sugar's bad, carbs are bad, can't have that. I have to like do this thing. And then my brain, like everybody's brain, is just screaming on high alert. Like, I have to have the thing that you're trying to take away from me. But I just turned that energy to what I really wanted to focus on, which, you know, will be a little bit of a basic girl here.

21:01 SPEAKER_02: Protein. We all know that we need more protein. Yep. And you put your energy into hitting that protein, which actually, by the way, is really hard. Every woman I talk to knows that they need more protein. They're still not hitting it, they're still under-eating their protein by a lot. If you are hitting that protein and you're like actually focusing on that, you naturally kind of think less about the other things. And the other things are still okay to have, but if your like target is like, I'm gonna hit 140 grams of protein, which I don't, for the record, I don't make all my participants do 140 grams of protein, but we do try to set like 100 grams minimum.

21:36 SPEAKER_02: Unless you're like itty bitty, 90-pound woman, if that's actually like a healthy weight, you know. Yeah, okay. Yeah, but like generally speaking, like we're gonna hit 100 grams. And most women, even though they understand conceptually we need more fiber, we need more protein, they're still not hitting it. And so just started to put these things on repeat because, like, I don't know, like I brush my teeth every Single morning, come have hella high water. It's gonna happen. Like we all do this. It's like an absolute ingrained habit.

22:06 SPEAKER_02: And it's boring and it's not interesting at all. And you do it and you don't like reward yourself for doing it because it's just a thing that you do. And that's when I realized this just has to be a thing that I just do, you know?

22:19 SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yes. So that's where kind of like the psychology of it feels like it comes in a little bit, like when like your therapist, like the psych there is psychology behind weight loss and changing from the elephant to the tiger and takes like a mind shot. And I feel like do you your women, or if you if you coach men too, do you kind of go on this like journey with them to help them transition into um, you know, seeing the tiger a little bit more clearly? Because that's what I feel like is hard to me is like we are on information overload, obviously on our our phones, right?

22:57 SPEAKER_00: There's so much information about macros and carbs and protein and you know, all the drinks. And there's like these new drinks that are like uh catering that have 20 or 30 grams of protein. But like, is that part of you? So you help take people, you know, on the journey to kind of the psychology of it. Cause I feel like that's what I definitely struggle with is yes, switch my brain to stop seeing so much of the elephant, all the bad, the the numbers, the I can't do this to, you know, really focusing on.

23:29 SPEAKER_00: I guess it's like when you talk about like a red jeep, but then you see all the red jeeps right on the on the freeway.

23:35 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. But you didn't even notice that they were there before. Oh, right, yeah. It's so interesting because I feel like I'm gonna be really honest. There's there is a certain crowd that comes into my program and they're a little frustrated because they're like, where's my like grocery list? Where's like my strict like menu plan? And I am gonna piss them off for just a minute because that's actually that's like the brain damage from all of the toxic 90s diet culture that we all were abused by. Yeah.

24:06 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. We're throwing all of that. You've already downloaded Weight Watchers probably six times, you know, macros, you've done oh, fitness pol 12 times at this point. Like all, and I'm I'm not even hating on any of those programs to be clear.

24:21 SPEAKER_00: And there are that works for those like people are Weight Watchers for life, people.

24:27 SPEAKER_01: Yes, but I think it always comes down to is I mean Sean always laughs because he's like, What's in the fridge? Like, he'll know when like I'm starting a new program. Yes, because he's like, Why are you the hell the scrubs that you're not gonna eat? And why do you have this? And like he's like, all of this stuff. We always joke that like veggies come to our home to die. Not yes, yeah, because he's like, You bought all this stuff, and then it takes you like an you're completely right, is my brain didn't shift.

24:51 SPEAKER_01: I'm just the robot platforming some new program, yeah, excited in the beginning, yes, and I'm totally can see myself, I'm gonna be successful, I'm gonna lose weight, I'm finally gonna get to a goal. Yeah, I probably don't actually believe it because after day five of being exhausted and I'm not a cook, we're over it. I'm done, I'm over it, and everything goes bad, and I throw it away, and I'm like, oh, well, that didn't work.

25:14 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. So well, think of like what's the thing that you always probably tell people or tell yourself is like, I'm trying to lose weight. Like, why are you not eating that way? Because I'm trying to lose weight. The words that you just said are so self-defeating. Just by saying trying to lose weight implies to your brain that it's hard to lose weight. And like, there's a term that I oh, I always sound like a drunken toddler, but psychoneuroimmunology. Okay, don't try to repeat it. It's it's grass.

25:44 SPEAKER_02: But the term is that like you literally can change your body on a physiological level by like the way that you talk to it. And and listen, like, I will never be mad. I'm a therapist and I will never be mad at people who talk about manifestation. It's just, I want to be, I want to bring in the science. And there is some real science behind it when you use it correctly and you understand like what you're doing and the way that you're talking to yourself. And that's the bigger battle is that you're like, you're this woman who's always trying, not succeeding.

26:12 SPEAKER_02: And your brain is wired. It doesn't, everything you say, your brain takes it as a fact. It's not, and it takes it as directions, right? So, like for years I said I'm trying to lose weight, you know, or I would say I have PCOS, it's really hard to lose weight. All of that is true, right? I'm a really busy mom of young kids. I have so much on my plate, my life is chaotic. It's really hard for me to like stick to like this like meal prepping and all of that crap. All of that is true. It's just not helpful.

26:44 SPEAKER_02: And so I realized I had to like change the way that I thought about it. And I'm gonna say, I will never be that therapist that's like, go look in the mirror and tell yourself you're beautiful, like seven times, because I know that you're really thinking when you look in the mirror, like because I do the same thing, right?

26:58 SPEAKER_00: Especially if we have like wet hair or we're sitting in the um the salon chair after you know we wet hair.

27:05 SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm gonna chill. I was older, and I'm like, you have to look at this all day. I am so sorry. Like I scare myself. There's times like when you don't make woo like when we as women get to like do our hair and do makeup. Because it would be a rough if I was walking around natural.

27:26 SPEAKER_02: Okay, but if everyone was walking around natural, you wouldn't be comparing yourself to everyone else in makeup. It's just oh, believe me, I moved to Utah two years ago, and like this is the most like most hashtag blessed place I've ever lived. Like it's so stunningly beautiful everywhere I go. I it's unreal.

27:45 SPEAKER_00: And there's lots of beautiful, beautiful in uh in in Utah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:54 SPEAKER_01: Why I went to Utah. Uh-huh. Shout out to Utah Plastic. Yeah. Freaking awesome. Becoming there for body plastic. Uh yeah very soon. Right? So, okay. Yeah, okay. So I I love what you're saying because I'm gonna be very honest, is in the back, my real talk, self-talk, is all never get there. I've never been able to.

28:20 SPEAKER_00: Like you feel like looking for that finish line. Yeah. And I feel like what Cassie's saying is like we have to get that out of our minds. There is like an ending place. Exactly. When there's there's really not an ending. There's not. It's just the new normal. And would we really be happy if I got back to 142? Probably not. I probably would not be happy with myself for other for other things. But I would like to get the psychology of this slipped so that I can learn a little bit more about appreciating and loving the vessel that yeah, at this point, right?

28:51 SPEAKER_01: I want to feel comfortable in the clothing that I own. Yeah. That currently is snug. Yes.

28:57 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. And my whole that's my fitness, right? Yeah. Yes. That peace. I think that's what we're really seeking is we're we're looking for peace more than like anything else. Like all the chaos that goes on in our life and in our brain. We just really crave that peace. And I think we just talk to ourselves so badly. And and so I think like the my biggest mantra is like, I'm gonna be honest, I'm a little bit lazy. I am always looking for like hacks. I'm always looking for like, I will get up at the last possible second.

29:29 SPEAKER_02: I know all the ways to like get to my work so I'm not late for my very first therapy session of the day. Yeah, like yeah, I do not do extra. Like in any aspect of my life, I like I go big. Don't get me wrong, I go big on like certain things, but like I'm not, I just I like to I like to do the most with the least amount of effort. And so I made this so boring and so lazy on purpose because we are overstimulated as a society. Like we're with too much going on. You were on a beautiful roll, so you were keep going.

30:02 SPEAKER_02: No, I just I want to make it as lazy as possible because we are so overstimulated. We have too many things going on our plate all the time, physically, metaphorically, you know. And we're making like 200 food decisions all the time. And and I always tell people this like, food is my love language. I love to make food for people. Like, I love to invite people to my home. I want to like go all out. I love hosting events where it's like way too crowded and we're sitting on each other's laps. Like, I I'm not taking any of that away.

30:33 SPEAKER_00: You ain't neither one of us cook, neither one of us cook. So I'll be curious to hear about your program. Um, just like how do you make it easy for people that one don't like to cook? But we like to come to those events and have all of things. Yeah, we're stuck.

30:47 SPEAKER_02: And we all bring whatever might be pre-made, or it might buy it. No, I think that's awesome. No, but the irony is that I I literally just tell people we're just gonna pick a few meals and we're gonna repeat them. And you have to like them, okay? Because if you don't like them, you won't keep repeating it. And so I tell people all the time, like one of my favorite meals I would have for lunch for like probably, I don't know, probably three or four times a week for like a year, was just hash browns that I get out of the freezer with my frozen peppers and onions, throw in a couple of eggs, some cottage cheese, cheese, whatever seasonings.

31:21 SPEAKER_02: It's it comes together so fast. I love it. Like it's not diet food. Like I really enjoy that food. So like that's something I would just eat on repeat. And then we always I always have like one meal that's just kind of like a normal meal that I eat with my family, and it's gonna have carbs and pasta and whatever, but I always focus on the protein, the tiger, like I'm making sure I'm hitting that. Because if you hit your protein fiber before you touch anything else, you're really not gonna overeat, you know.

31:48 SPEAKER_02: And so we just I actually for the people who don't like to cook, this program is for you. And for the people who do like to cook, save that for like the special moments. You know what I mean? Yeah, like we still want to have all that.

32:02 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, meal or go out, yeah, or you can like love to cook and meal prep. Do you have people milk meal prep and say on Sundays?

32:08 SPEAKER_02: No, because you don't really I don't because I feel like it becomes like too much mental gymnastics. Like, I don't try to limit how much we think about food. And so, like, the less you can think about food, the better. If if meal prepping works for people, that is amazing. I love that. Like, the beauty of this program is that it actually can really fit into anybody's lifestyle. Like what you love to eat naturally already works well for you. Like, I have a surprising number of vegans, which like I didn't know this, but I've been like asking them, I'm what do you do?

32:40 SPEAKER_02: Like, how are you hitting your protein? Is that a lot harder? Like, tofu sounds like I'd rather sit in a bath to full of scissors, but I love that for you, you know.

32:48 SPEAKER_03: That was you live for a while.

32:51 SPEAKER_01: I was a Ashley for seven years. That's and it was not as in this. Well, no, it wasn't awesome because that's actually my gain, like 45 pounds. Because exactly what you just said, I watched one of those documentaries, What the Health. And I it like you got your beautiful Lucy behind you. I'm a huge animal lover, totally into animal rescue. Me too. And I saw that and thought, well, I'm not willing to kill a chicken, I'm not willing to kill a pig, I'm not willing to kill a cow, I shouldn't be eating them.

33:23 SPEAKER_01: So what I did is I went to process foods, right? Because I wasn't hitting I didn't do it for vegan as in salads and scraps and lentils. I didn't do the healthy way, I was doing it for because of something else. For your beliefs and not I then went to rubble potato chips are vegan. Yeah, right. And then gained 45 pounds. And I mean, that's again way up and down, but getting back on actual protein and getting like finally I just realized, okay, you know what? If I had to kill a chicken, I probably would.

34:01 SPEAKER_00: Well, like slowly brought you back to the dark side. We're like, can you eat canned chicken? I first went to fish.

34:08 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Yeah. Then you were like I don't I I can't really see the fish in the ocean.

34:12 SPEAKER_00: I really do like sushi. Then you yeah, so then me too. Started eating chicken, and then after we got we're weird. We're just a weird friend group. We got our colonoscopy together. We did. Yes. Not in the same well, kind of. And then after she wanted it in and out. All I wanted was a burger. So she we went and got her a burger and then she's eating.

34:31 SPEAKER_01: And then it's well, and it took oh no, it took a couple more months to have another burger. Okay. But I will say that's the thing. It's interesting because vegans, it's really hard to hit your I mean, well, that's a whole other conversation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But if they can do it, then obviously. I mean, I feel like I actually hit my protein goals. That's awesome. I feel like I between 100 and 120 grams a day minima.

34:55 SPEAKER_02: That's phenomenal. Because I'm telling you, most people can't like they just they can, but that's just it's we're not used to eating that much. And so it's it's not normal. And honestly, I I'm a firm believer in like if you were doing an average of like 40 grams of protein a day and you come into my program, just let's just hit 50 or 60. You know what I mean? Yeah, all right. You you have a long place. Yes, yes, you come to therapy, and I'm not having you set monumental goals because I know as a therapist, when we set these giant goals, we're setting you up for failure.

35:28 SPEAKER_02: But if we can just like you didn't walk at all last week and you went for 30 minutes this week, we are counting, we're celebrating every little tiny win because those snowball, those become the success over long term, and then they become easier and you start to it, it's not a fight with your brain anymore because you're just like, well, I just I'm just a girl who walks. And going back to that psychoneuroimmunology, like changing our physiology with the way that we speak, and this is a real term, you can look it up.

35:54 SPEAKER_02: I'm not making this up. This isn't like manifestation magic speaking. Yeah. But like taking the things that you say that are not helpful and turning them into something that's actually helpful, something you you will believe, is is going to change the game more than you realize. So, like when I say to myself, like, I have PCOS, it's really hard to lose weight. I change that. I do have PCOS. So I eat in a way that works with my body. Guess what? You have PCOS, you likely have insulin resistance. Guess what you freaking need?

36:25 SPEAKER_02: Protein. You you never can eat a single carb without protein. Your body just will not process it correctly. That insulin will spike. So now I just eat in a way that makes sense with my body. And now I've just turned that phrase so that I can say that phrase. Like that phrase doesn't bother me. I don't feel like I'm lying to myself when I say that because it's true. And, you know, I one phrase that I do think is funny. I used to tell myself all the time, like, okay, I love, I love donuts. Pretty nearly every Saturday morning.

36:53 SPEAKER_02: I'm like getting donuts with my husband. Yes. Yeah, that and a rock star. Listen, I'm not pretending like I'm the paragon of health here. Like, we're just doing what's realistic. Yeah, but I love donuts. And like, so I would tell myself, I'm the type of woman who is really satisfied with one or two bites of donuts. This is the one that was a lie, and I was like, no, I'm not. I like four. I don't just want one or two bites, I want four lives minimum, and I'll come back for a little bit more. But but I would say this over and over again that I'm really satisfied with just a couple bites of donuts, you know.

37:30 SPEAKER_02: And I don't know when it became true. I just know it's true now. Like it genuinely is true. And I've no idea how long that took.

37:41 SPEAKER_01: The repeating of it is so if I and it's interesting is I think I've just come to realize that I have an aura ring and it constantly says that I am under high stress. Yes, I guarantee that's true.

37:56 SPEAKER_01: No, I literally I was like stressed. I mean, I don't know. I honestly be like, when I'm never stressed. But that's I'm very low level. But obviously, I think my cortisol is always on. Yeah. And I So then you're believing my body is under it's feeling yeah like I'm under a stress, but I because the doctor's telling me the ring has to be right. Ring literally is like, you have he's like, you've got to get your d your stress down. And I'm like, stress.

38:28 SPEAKER_02: So maybe that's your normal, like you live at that level, so you don't feel any different. So it's just makes your that feels normal to you. And some things feel normal until it's no longer normal. And you're like, how did I do that before? Like, how did I live that way for so long?

38:43 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Because I'm like, I never, I mean, honestly, if you ask someone who knows me, I'm like, I I'm always like, ah, it will work out. It will work out what it's supposed to. Yeah, I'm not I'm never worried about it. It's like I always remember to say, Shaw, I'm like, don't worry about it. It's all gonna work itself out the way it's supposed to, and we're gonna get there when we get there, right? Yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, so that's interesting. My mantra needs to be even though my body is has some type of level of reactiveness that I'm unaware of and maybe need to tap into becoming more aware of it.

39:19 SPEAKER_01: I can I still will get there. Yeah. Because I'm thinking in my oh, I can't get there because I'm you know, cortisol like makes you right, your body's always in this front fight or fright, flight or fight. Yeah. And it it's counterintuitive. So that's kind of an I'm like, oh, maybe this is my problem. Yeah. Because I'll never get there because my body's constantly thinking it's like, you know, in this heightened state. Yeah, I'm being chased by a tiger.

39:43 SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. Elephant, and you need to actually wrong by the tanger. Yeah. So I do want to ask, just like touch on like two things. So if you can share, like, how is it that you did actually lose your 115 pounds? Um what did that entail? And did you create your program um that you help other women off of what you taught yourself or what you learned from whoever you learned from?

40:13 SPEAKER_03: Yeah.

40:13 SPEAKER_00: Um, your thoughts on GLP, and then I want to just jump into a little bit about your program.

40:19 SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so the 115 pounds, when I very first started, I was like at 37 at the very end of the year, my husband was like, let's try for one more baby. And I was like, and for us, trying means doctors, all of our babies are fertility babies. Wow. So I was like kind of surprised because our kids were like older at this point. And I don't know, I I'd always wanted more to be honest. Like younger me only wanted like two kids, and then I had three, and I was like, oh, I could do six, but like this doesn't like to have babies.

40:56 SPEAKER_02: So but I was like, so we were trying for another baby, and that was by the way, an amazing motivator. I do think that it really matters to dial in your why, and like for a decade, my why was always to be hot. Like, you could still be really hot in your 30s. And I I remember thinking, I remember saying this to one of my best friends, like, we can still be smoke shows in our 30s, like in 40s, we can be hot, but like, and I totally have changed my mind. I'm like, no, you could be a smoke show. Like, I've seen some smoke shows in their 70s now, so I'm like, oh yes, yes, absolutely, but that's never been a good enough motivator.

41:34 SPEAKER_02: Like being hot has never been a good enough motivator for me. Like some random Tuesday at 9 p.m. at night, like the pantry. I'm eating something I don't even want. Like, I literally don't want it, but I've been goldfish, you know, because yeah, I'm not eating it because I'm hungry. I'm eating it because it's filling a need that I have. Like maybe I'm I need connection, maybe I need like something to like lower my stimulation. Like there's a million things that we have needs for that we fill with food.

41:59 SPEAKER_02: And so trying for another baby was actually an amazing motivator. And I don't want to get emotional, but I probably will. That's okay. We no, this is real life. Yeah. And I'm not sad about it. Like I think all things work out for a reason. But I got pregnant and I was so excited. And the funny thing is, is I got pregnant when I was in between treatments, so I wasn't even taking anything at the time. And I was supposed to be on a break, and you know, so I wasn't taking any of the shots or you know, so I got pregnant.

42:35 SPEAKER_02: It was like this awesome thing, and I was so grateful. And then the day that we found out the gender is the day that I started to miscarry. I'm so sorry. And up to that point, I had lost 50 pounds. And like, even through fertility treatments and doing all the things and being pregnant and and knowing that I like had to nourish this body and this baby, like I was able to continue eating exactly everything that I teach in my reset is exactly the way that I lost that whole I mean it's it's the same thing in the whole 115 pounds, but especially in the first 50.

43:08 SPEAKER_02: And I um I just feel like I lost some of my speed. I had lost a little bit of that motivation, like you know, having a new baby. Like all of that was a really good why. And I just had to like, I just had to sit with myself for a while and I really decided that like I have these three amazing kids. I'm so blessed. And I want to be here for them. And I don't want to be the mom that like keeps hiding from all the pictures. And I'm I was always, always that girl who's like um kind of obnoxious, hopefully in a fun way, but I'm sure a lot of people thought I was actually genuinely obnoxious.

43:48 SPEAKER_02: But like always like the the fat bunny friend, always making jokes, always like a really big, loud personality, you know. And so I don't want to say that like I hid completely from my life, but I was really uncomfortable. And I force myself to do a lot of things. And I tell all my clients, I'm like, you do it uncomfortable. Just do it anyway because it matters and you need to show up for your kids. And I do feel like I did that, but I was always so uncomfortable. And there are so few videos of me because I deleted every single one of them from when I was yes.

44:23 SPEAKER_00: I was getting in the bathing suit. I feel sad that I can't have pictures of myself when my kids were little because I was w super overweight. Yeah. And I feel sad about that. Like I just, yeah, I don't have a lot of family, early family memories together in video or pictures. Yeah.

44:44 SPEAKER_01: There's a man who wants to do that, right? I look back and I'm like, oh God, like I have the kids. But now, what do I say? Take all the pictures.

44:54 SPEAKER_00: That's my I'm like just keep the role. Like I like, yeah. I mean, people get annoyed with me when I'm like, I don't care, get taken a picture.

45:04 SPEAKER_01: I love it. I don't care if you I don't care if my pictures are bad anymore. I'm like, whatever. Yeah. I don't have that.

45:10 SPEAKER_00: The memory.

45:10 SPEAKER_02: So yes, yeah, I just love that. But I didn't want to be that mom anymore that was like just faking it to make it all the time. And I wanted to actually be that way for them. And so, like, that's when my why shifted. You know, I want to be like this awesome grandma. I want to make sure that I'm like my parents are amazing examples. They're all, I mean, they're ski patrollers clear up until they were almost 70. Like, it's amazing. Amazing. Oh my gosh. So, like, best examples. And I want that. And so that's when my why shifted.

45:40 SPEAKER_02: And I'll be honest, like, I was sitting in the doctor's office and I'm like bawling. And he's like, Cass, why don't you just take a GLP one? Like, you do not need to make this so hard. You know, you're not taking fertility treatments anymore. Like, just do the GLP one. And here's what I want to say about that. Because I get a lot of hate about the GLP one and that I teach weight, you know, I teach people how to lose weight, and that I took a GLP one and that's somehow cheating. For anyone who's taken a GLP one, you are not cheating for the love.

46:10 SPEAKER_02: Like, I think it's making your body work in a way that it was designed to work. And I think other people's bodies work in that way. Because the moment it really clicked, I was like, is this what is this what normal people feel like? And until you experience that, like I just, I I wanted to like seeing it from the rooftops. I told everyone about the GLP one because there was so much shame around it. And I was like, no, like I I have PCUS. I've never had regular cycles my whole life. I have regular cycles now.

46:40 SPEAKER_02: I haven't even been on a GLP1 for six months, and they're still regular. My hormonal acne, I've always had horrible acne right here. It's gone. Even I haven't been on it for six months, you know? And like it it got rid of so many things. So don't tell me that it's not helping my body in miraculous ways for sure.

46:58 SPEAKER_01: I mean, isn't it like taking the inflammation? I mean, I don't have PCOS, but I mean, just for me, it was the food noise. I never like we talked about, I never realized that I was constantly like a sudden, I'm still excited by food. Like excited for breakfast. Excited for a little bit. You're like, oh, I get to wake up and have food. Yeah. But like I constantly, and I'm sure my snacking is not right, it's not physiological. Yeah. It's that maybe when I did feel stressed or sad or bored, I'm looking for reach because like this motion is comforting, it's soothing.

47:36 SPEAKER_01: Right. So I I know for me, my GLP was my game changer. Yeah, and that's lost, I guess like 40 pounds on it. Yeah. Um, like you maybe-ish. Yeah. So that's another, but I still I'm not back to where you know I had like 15 from what my lower one was. So that's where you know, I've got like another, let's say, 30 inch. Yeah. I'd say to get back into like, yeah, if I can get to that number or whatever it is. Yeah. Or whatever I feel comfortable clothing. Yeah. But no, GLP was a game changer.

48:09 SPEAKER_00: I'm so thankful for it. And I feel like one of the reasons we wanted to have you on too was like, you we there are ways to lose weight without a GLP. Clearly, people have been doing whole lives, right? You you lost the initial weight without a GLP because they have just now become, I'd feel like, much more talked about, much more mainstream. Yeah. Lots of uh research about some of the really great things that like we talked about before we went live. Yeah. My daughter's Crohn's. There's now, you know, um research out there that's it might help Crohn's disease, help through VCOS.

48:45 SPEAKER_00: Oh, alcoholism, drug abuse, like all of it. Amazing, right? So I think that it's for somebody like um I can't say your name, but for someone that I know that is very much um in the boomer generation, um, and it's not my mother, it's not my mother-in-law, so you two are listening. Um they are yeah, against GLPs. Um, just don't it's like an easy way out, even though there's some health issues that probably would be taken away with those. Yeah. Um, they're very much like still Weight Watchers or Otto Via Fanatic, yeah.

49:22 SPEAKER_00: Which is still, but truly, we know for sure off to be a god that is that it's restrictive.

49:30 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. And like, oh my little packet of food is awful. Yeah. And yeah, forever. Yeah, it's not. It's not no, and also tastes like crap. So sorry, I think it's like that is the where I'm like, I know. I think I lost it like 10 days and I gave it away on like Facebook. I'm like, no, the rest of this crap. And we I sort of up front. We're like, we've got this. Yeah, you know, we don't we did not want to have it. I'll be fat before I have to deal with this again. Yeah, yeah.

49:59 SPEAKER_00: So in your program, I'd love you to just kind of give a high-level overview of your program and talk to the women who don't want to do a GLC or an injection and talk to the women that want the community and want to learn how to lose the weight from, you know, you said we're gonna eat the same five things that you love five days a week. Like, I do think if I have the right meal, um, like I love that cabbage in a bowl. It's like a, it's what is it? It's like a an oriental, like with meat, ground turkey and cabbage, and like it's like an oriental, I forget what it's called.

50:34 SPEAKER_00: It's something in a bowl. Oh, crack in a bowl or something else. Crack in a bowl. You heard it.

50:42 SPEAKER_00: Sponsored by ETF. But we don't do real crack. Just so you guys know. Um, but like I that I could. You're right. So that was like a little bit of a like a light bulb moment for me because I really could eat that five days a week. So yeah, how does your how do you teach women um of different walks of life, you know, to change your psychology and what does your program look like for people who, like you said, some people like to meal prep. I think it sounds miserable.

51:12 SPEAKER_02: You you could absolutely meal prep on this and be successful. Like if that fits your very type A brain, I say go for it. There's there's nothing in this that's gonna like prohibit you from doing that. Uh, but I do want to go back real quick because on the GLP one point, I you said something that I think really matters, and it's that there's a really staunch camp for and against it, right? And I have pulled my my members probably a half dozen times. And I think that I've got some really good data gathered on this.

51:44 SPEAKER_02: So one, before I launched my program, my course, because I actually only re launched it very recently. I was doing one-on-one coaching before that. And so I got I got to just like work with women one-on-one and see their growth and progress, although that was really expensive for them because I just charged my regular therapy rates. Because why would I yeah, anyway, yeah. So but I got to see like what was working, what wasn't. I got to like tweak it just a little bit because I realized that like something that might be easy for me because I'd been doing this for three years, and that is the timeline, by the way.

52:18 SPEAKER_02: I it took me three years to lose this. So I realize I have to rewind just a little bit. So 50 pounds, totally natural. Well, I hate saying natural because I feel like there's like a moral judgment in there, but 50 pounds just following my program, then adding the GLP one. Um, I lost the uh the other 65 pounds. And amazing. I kept doing the whole program. Okay, so pulling the women that are in my program, the 2000-plus women, it seems that there's literally just a 50-50 camp split. And most of them were on a GLP one before they even came to me.

52:53 SPEAKER_02: So I I'm not huh, I want to say this so clearly. Like, I am not like advocating for or against GLP ones. They're not part of life. And, you know, I think that like people should be smart about it if they're using it. But here's here's the kicker. So people do it. The people on the GLP one versus the people off the GLP one. I uh like maybe GLP one users won't like to hear this, but the weight loss is close to the same amount, so they're not losing weight faster with the GLP one in my program. Interesting.

53:27 SPEAKER_02: That is super interesting, but also people aren't they aren't dropping like 20 pounds in two weeks in my program either. Like it's it's pretty slow and sustainable.

53:37 SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say that's not it's I I have not been at this weight because of two weeks, right? Right, like correctly on totally make my might come on faster for me, but it takes a minute to gain 15 pounds, right? It's also gonna take me three times as long to go ahead and release that 15 pounds. Yes. So that makes sense. And it's actually interesting that the and I think for the being on a GLP one mentally, yeah, gives me that extra step of mindset that because it actually for me reduces my food noise a hundred percent.

54:13 SPEAKER_02: And pain is a good motivator.

54:16 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pain for a program, pain for GLP, and then also I feel like a very large um like benefit to um being in a program or a group is the community. I feel like that helps so much when you're talking to other women, whether you're on the Facebook, I'm not sure how you run it, but whether you're on your Facebook group or not, at two in the morning, I'm on there and I'm like, I want to reach for goldfish, you know. And Patty Jones says, you know, you're better than the goldfinch. Go trust the tiger, stay away from the elephant.

54:51 SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like I do think there's something to be said for like frosty plates, honey. Oh, I love frosted plates, you know, like I mean, yeah. So I love I love all cereal. That you have 2,000 um, you know, clients and it's all pretty, it's pretty 50-50. And that's just proof like whatever your path is, find what works for you.

55:16 SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing that was so interesting to me with like when I was coaching one-on-one. Um, okay, and also real quick, because you mentioned community guilty confession. I have not started a community, and I know the women in my program have been begging for it. Oh, we don't talk. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. It's funny though, because I do have a couple groups though that are like small that like I was coaching with them.

55:38 SPEAKER_00: So I do have yeah, it helps to just know another person. Yeah.

55:43 SPEAKER_02: No, and I do want to start the community, but uh in this time. It's there's time, it's moderating it and keeping it positive and uplifting and not letting it go negative. And then, like, do I do that or do I now need to hire somebody? So I have actually much to the sugar of many of the participants, they hate that. That might be a announcement when the time is right for you. Yeah, no, and it is, it is in the works. It's just oh, I I took over. I took I'm taking over a friend's clients for maternity leave.

56:13 SPEAKER_02: So now I'm like, Oh yeah, yes, yes. No, but so here's the thing with one-on-one clients, when I was working with them, almost all of them had done a GLP one, they had lost the weight, a significant amount of weight. I'm talking 50, 60, 80 to 100 pounds. And most of what they came off of it started gaining it back because you didn't change any habits, nothing changed. You just you just weren't hungry, so you stopped eating. You didn't create a new pattern of living. Right. And as a therapist, I can't tell you how many of my clients are on SSRIs or different things for any antidepressant or anti-anxiety and I anti-anxiety.

56:52 SPEAKER_02: I don't have I'm not anti-medication in any way, shape, or form. But while the medicine's working, we need to build habits, otherwise, you're wasting everybody's time. And so and money. Yes. So if you aren't building a system under it, it's it's just set up to fail anyway. And so that's where I feel like the conversation of like the two coming together. Like, I I want everybody who's on a GLP one to be doing something to change their habits, you know, not just a diet, but like their true habits and and put it on automatic, which is what that's why I named it the automatic reset.

57:28 SPEAKER_02: You know, not like the weather is gonna fall off without any effort, but that like we just set these patterns that they become automatic. That you just brush your teeth when you wake up in the morning. It's not anything we celebrate, it's not anything dessert, it's not something you earn, it's it's a given. It's just part of the program. You just have it. So we we're not in this punishment and reward cycle that we're pulling out of that black and white all or nothing thinking because that's where the disordered eating really comes into play.

57:57 SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, that's where I feel like it's been a huge thing. In fact, I actually came off a GLP one last year for a few months just to test myself. Some of my hormonal acne did come back, my cycles did go a little wonky again, and so I got back on it. But I don't six or so months ago, I I you just can't be a weight loss influencer and not get crap. And I believe so strongly in this program that I was like, I kind of wish I didn't do it with the GLP one, but I'm also grateful for the experience because I I I just do think there's something awesome about it.

58:34 SPEAKER_01: So I know that you've got both sides of it, right? The best. So they kind of walk me through like actually focusing on your program on your 21-day resale. Yeah, give us kind of a little bit of an review of that and also how people can find you. Yeah.

58:47 SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah. Okay, so I'm on Instagram. That's my biggest channel. I am so close to 100,000. So depending on when somebody sees this, I will be giving away a little gift once I hit that. I'm so excited about it.

58:59 SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, let us know. We'll shout out. Shout out your Instagram name. It's at weightless with Cassie. At weightless with Cassie.

59:08 SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna we'll put it we'll put everything up too.

59:10 SPEAKER_01: I love your night. I love the name too. Yeah, thank you.

59:12 SPEAKER_02: I know I I agonize over that name forever because I was like, I wanted to bring the mental health, and weightless isn't just about like your body composition, it's about being weightless in mind and body.

59:24 SPEAKER_01: To that, when I read that, because I'm the I just everyone knows I reached out to Cassie. I saw an Instagram, I saw a post, and then I went on, right? I did the deep dive, I looked you up, I looked at all your best lines. Like, she is meant to be a friend of mine. Yeah, like it's just so cute. And then I saw the name, and it was like, oh my god, like releasing weight for me is like taking that off of my shoulders. Like it just makes you like when you're floating in water and you just don't, it's like so peaceful and soothing.

59:55 SPEAKER_00: If I could have mental light mental, like uh you know, regulated emotions and a light mind, um, not filled with um looping thoughts and all that it to me is priceless, even more so than weight loss. Yeah, really weight less than possible.

1:00:14 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Okay, so can you guys interrupt you? So your okay, so program.

1:00:18 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. So in my program, honestly, the biggest thing is like it's just so simple, especially in the reset. It's all about like borrowing my brain structure for the next 21 days. Like, I'm not gonna just throw a ton of science at you. And I am just, I'm the most annoying human being because like I go down these rabbit holes and I will consume like every piece of information. And that is how the reset was was put together is that I found a few people online, like uh love him or hate him, like Dr. Berg on YouTube.

1:00:50 SPEAKER_02: If anybody follows him, he yeah, I love so much of his information. And he's a little, you know, he's definitely about removing food groups. I am not about removing food groups, I think that's chaotic. But there was a lot of really good information, and I took a lot of that, and so there's probably 12 people that I really voraciously consumed everything. And I'm gonna be really honest. The very end of December, I did launch my very first course. It was if any of my people who bought that course are here, like I love you so much for putting up with me.

1:01:25 SPEAKER_02: That was annoying. And it was like 45 videos that were all like 20 minutes long. It was absolute idiocy, and everyone was so nice, nobody even complained. Like, God bless you all day long. It was the worst part. You have to start somewhere. That's amazing. That's amazing. I mean, but that's how my brain works. Like, I want everything, I want all the information. But that is like as a therapist, if I overwhelm my client, we are gonna have absolutely no progress. And so I was like, I need to fix this for how exactly I teach my clients, and I actively do teach them.

1:01:59 SPEAKER_02: So I broke it down so it's very simple. And we like we limit our eating window to very gentle, time-restricted eating, so intermittent fasting, and people are like, I've done intermittent fasting before. Yeah, you have, but you haven't done it like this. You did it where it was like very strict and it was rigid and it became that black and white thinking that we're not in that. And 16K or whatever it is, like, yes, right, all over a small window. Yeah, we're all about celebrating the small wins, and so it's just about getting you there.

1:02:28 SPEAKER_02: Um, so it really is just very simple. Like, I'm not gonna like bombard with the science, but just trust that there is a lot of science behind everything that I'm teaching in it. So it's like, how are we reframing? How are we talking to ourselves? Because that's gonna be one of the biggest keys is like we're gonna stop that inner lizard brain that is sabotaging all of our efforts because there's a lot that's in sabotaging us. There's there is actually a lot of reasons why we stay overweight, you know, and there your brain is genuinely trying to protect you.

1:02:59 SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, on a physiological level, like it we have gone through thousands of years where like if you gained weight, that was to help you be uh what's the word? Uh oh my gosh, words are hard right now.

1:03:14 SPEAKER_01: Well, like bear proof proof. Yes. Oh, yeah, right. So right, yeah. Through famine, right? Um I can go through a total famine. Yes, and I'm cheese. Yes, no, but no, drop me in the nine went last for a while.

1:03:27 SPEAKER_02: Yeah, losing weight is literally going against your biology, it just is. And so if if we just overcomplicate it, it's gonna be a disaster. So I just keep it really simple. I do offer a free um recipe book that comes with it, and this is where it gets complicated because people are like, oh my gosh, there's so much dairy in here, and there's so much like meat and all of that. And like, that doesn't work for them. It's just a bonus. You can you do it. That's why the peapines vegans make it work.

1:03:55 SPEAKER_01: Real.

1:03:56 SPEAKER_02: Yeah. Fast food is going to happen. And so I have a fast food guide, and you can just keep it saved on your phone. It comes automatically with the program. I used to sell these separately, actually, for more than the cost of my program, which is funny because now I include it in the program. But the truth is, is that uh actually, I don't know if anybody wants this information, but when I hired a business coach last year and like I sat with her one-on-one and we like, and I sat in her like groups and we pow out, and everybody was like, you need to be charging a thousand to fifteen hundred dollars for this.

1:04:27 SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, this is gold with the therapy aspect. I mean, if you it's uh$185 a session to come do therapy with me. So one hour of my time, 50 53 minutes, you know, is the the bill of power, it's$185. And so that they kept like doing that. I gotta be honest, though, that was like we have all bought thousands of dollars worth of programs. We have paid for all the monthly subscriptions, we've done all of the things, and I just was like, you know what? I would rather get this into more people's people's hands and just have them freaking do the thing, keep it really short and simple, and just try to build this like this automate a few habits that you can sustain over the rest of your life.

1:05:09 SPEAKER_02: And so I literally charge$37 for this program. And I say that and I I've I promised myself I was gonna keep it at 37, but also I've kept it at 37.

1:05:20 SPEAKER_01: So for I was also shocked when I looked at it. I was like, does that have a three and a seven? And there's nothing after it, or there's seven friends. Yeah, I I was shocked. Yeah. I mean, I've never I bought a lot of stuff. Me too.

1:05:34 SPEAKER_00: And I understand this coach because it's never been a three and a seven. Well, let's just say when Cassie does raise her price in the future, if you're after this, yeah, maybe you DM her and say, I I saw the podcast, can I have the special price? But if not really do that.

1:05:49 SPEAKER_01: I'm a totally like any higher price as well. Yeah. Okay, so Nikon what I've seen, because I'm a hundred percent in your program, yeah, is You go on your Instagram and go on it. So it's wait less. Yep. With Cassie. Waitless. Okay, perfect. And we're gonna link we're gonna link everything in some of the show notes and we'll put an actual post app. Um, then you can just click on it and you just download it is to your computer, to your phone, mobile, all that kind of stuff. There's an app and then so if you're if you like apps, you can run it through an app.

1:06:24 unknown: Okay.

1:06:26 SPEAKER_01: Okay. And then 21 days. Is it kind of like just checking in every single day with the app? How's it work?

1:06:32 SPEAKER_02: You can so most people, what I I've asked because I'm really curious about people's behaviors and how they do it. Um, most people actually just kind of do it in a weekend. They watch all the videos, it's not that long. Each video is like three to eight minutes. There's 20 videos, 21 videos. There's a couple worksheets in the course. There is an optional planner for the people who are planner girlies. And I know not everybody is, so I figured I wouldn't like overwhelm people.

1:06:57 SPEAKER_01: You try to keep up one.

1:07:01 SPEAKER_02: But even if they do the planner, because I'm really trying to work on like little bandwidth. We have so many things going to all the other areas of our life. So even the planner, just like the program is like so simple. Like it's not like anything you sit and journal for long hours, which I do. I am a therapist, I do find value in in journaling, but it's like circle, check, mark. It's really simple. You could like sit down for 30 seconds every day and just check in. So in the videos, if you consume them all at once, or you can consume them day by day.

1:07:33 SPEAKER_02: So I found most people just consume them in a weekend and like just plan to start to get started. And the biggest goal is just to make it lazy. Uh that is my key signature is I just want it to be lazy because that's what will stick, that's what will become automatic. Um, no more mental gymnastics because we're done quitting. So if you mess up on at lunch and like you don't eat the way you had planned to eat, we're changing our psyche. That does not mean that you messed up. We just are immediately getting back on the plans.

1:08:03 SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm sure you guys have all heard the analogy because like it's really popular. But if you're G if you're driving down the road and following your GPS and you make a wrong turn, it doesn't freak out, it doesn't start all the way back at home. It just makes the next correct turn, and that's all we're doing. We're just making the next correct turn. So if you blew it and had donuts, I I did not lose 115 pounds by having amazing willpower. There were many, many days where I like ate four donuts uh on a random Tuesday for no reason, other than like I was tired, you know, and and by the way, I do cover sleep.

1:08:40 SPEAKER_02: All the other things like hormones, PC, thyroid, you know, all that genetics crap, like we can't control all that, but you can't control sleep. And I know, I know there are some issues with sleep, but I do cover that in the resecs. It matters.

1:08:53 SPEAKER_00: That's me.

1:08:53 SPEAKER_02: I know I'm sleep.

1:08:55 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah. I want to sleep easily but wake up.

1:08:57 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you go you have a hard time staying asleep or go to sleep and then I wake up and I'm up for like yeah, hours. Yeah.

1:09:04 SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the way it's sleep. Sleep is one of those things, like it's just so hard to make good decisions on a tired brain. Like we just I'm I know for a fact if I stay up till two or three in the morning doing whatever, who knows what? I wasn't I was an insomnia for many years, and I had to like work to fix that for it. Took me years to fix it. But if I ever mess that up, I promise you, like that next day is gonna be a disaster on every level. I'm gonna be crankier, I may eat more. Yeah.

1:09:35 SPEAKER_00: Yep, that's totally me. Or if I do have a random goodnight sleep, um, with the help of maybe Hosanix once in a while, I am like, my gosh, I feel like uh like I feel amazing. I feel like I could conquer the world. Yes, but it's not consistent. So yeah, but I'm working on that with just my doctor and all the things. But yes, I get it. Like progress drinks, all of like all the things I'm getting taken care of. So um yeah, yes, on that. But weight is, you know, something I really want to tackle as well.

1:10:08 SPEAKER_02: It's it's so hard. I feel like every girl I've ever talked to, and I do say girl, I know we're women, but we're still girls.

1:10:15 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in a girl, right? Yeah.

1:10:17 SPEAKER_02: It's just our forever battle. Like we just I don't care where you're at. Like that is just and and even now, you know, I'm I'm depending on the day, 138 to 142, 3, I don't know, whatever. But there's still things to pick out and Prada. And like, uh but I I used to think I didn't really have that many wrinkles. Well, guess what? When fat was filling in, then I didn't have that many wrinkles.

1:10:41 SPEAKER_01: Right? I crazy happened to wave off. It's all like it's all like yeah, right? It's like a balloon. Yeah, and the balloon looks a little fat. That was my face look because I'm like, what this happened? Yeah, it was in this whole area was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:11:03 SPEAKER_02: Well, and just a side note on that. Oh, sorry, just a just a quick side note on that. Like because of our military experience, I do get a lot of I get a lot of soldiers and I deal with a lot of PTSD. And the interesting thing about that is that we just we we just repeat patterns. Our brain learns a neural pathway and it continues that pattern. And so when they're in combat, they're constantly on alert for danger, and then they they make a plan of attack for that danger, and then they enact that plan.

1:11:30 SPEAKER_02: And then this beautiful loop gets to keep resetting, and then you come out of danger, you're no, you're in a civilian world and you're still repeating that. And now you're looking for danger in places where it doesn't exist, and it starts to spiral you into anxiety and depression. And and the thing is, is like we still do that. So this is why I actually I feel like it's so critical that you change the way that you're talking to yourself because like a person who can't love themselves at 254 pounds, I promise you, still can't love herself at 138 pounds.

1:12:00 SPEAKER_02: That doesn't cure what's broken, you know.

1:12:03 SPEAKER_01: Right. I no longer yeah, the the repeatable patterns. I always say this to one of my youngest girls like the self-talk because she's really hard on herself. There's two of them, but the three are really good. Well, actually, probably all of them are hard on themselves. But it's like you wouldn't talk to a friend like that now are talking to yourself. Like I would never talk to a friend the way that I myself talk on things, but we self-talk, but we self-talk.

1:12:25 SPEAKER_00: No, I wouldn't self-talk no in front of our children. No, but we would self-talk to each other, yes, and then we'll okay.

1:12:33 SPEAKER_01: So here's what we're gonna do. We're joining this, yes, we're gonna join your program, and we're gonna do a follow-up. So let's do a follow-up in maybe like 21 days. We we set this like six weeks, that beautiful. And we will have gotten a program, a mind reset, and we'll come back and we can actually talk about the effectiveness. I'm literally, can't I even tell you how excited I am to start going and being with the tiger. I love it.

1:12:59 SPEAKER_00: Yes, instead of the elf.

1:13:00 SPEAKER_02: Yes.

1:13:01 SPEAKER_00: I know, I really not with the tiger. And really, for me, I feel like it's um until I can get some like medical stuff taken care of, I'm excited to have some like help with switching my brain thinking a lot.

1:13:15 SPEAKER_01: So yeah, your body, your your your physiological body is since losing Chris. On the right coming up on two years end of October on another. So yeah.

1:13:27 SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I mean, different, different reasons, different whys. Yeah. And that'll be interesting too because I'm I'm curious to see what I'll get out of it altogether, but really with reporting back weight loss or not, it's like what did I what habits did I change and form and how's my stock? And and then that would lead to better outcomes with everything, sleep and weight loss, and all the things like you like you mentioned. So that's exciting.

1:13:54 SPEAKER_01: So exciting. Well, I cannot, and I so it's one of those We learned you already. I saw you I have to reach out. I'm so thankful you responded. I know, and I was so excited. New friendships are formed, and to all of our people who are listening, I I know so many of us in midlife or just in life, weight loss is a really hard thing, and you're not alone. Yeah, so we're all gonna just conquer it together and talk about it and keep it real. Yeah, and I hope for you because it's really hard and frustrating, and we carry it wherever we go.

1:14:29 SPEAKER_01: So I am excited to do a follow-up. Yeah, and we will absolutely do this in like six weeks.

1:14:35 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, we definitely need to do that. It was so so wonderful to meet you. You are and and adorable, encouraging, inspiring. Um really smoking hot. And you're smoking hot. Smoking hot. That's what I thought when I saw you.

1:14:49 SPEAKER_02: I was like, dang.

1:14:51 SPEAKER_00: This is oh, we're we're all hey, we just we all I feel like you know, it's okay to be smoking hot in your 30s, 40s, 50s, absolutely, 70s and beyond. You know, 80s. My mom's 80. Oh, your mom's so cute.

1:15:04 SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, damn, mom. Uh-huh.

1:15:08 SPEAKER_01: Who's also cute, but my mom is like darling. Yeah, she's a little like you can put her in your pocket. She's a little thin mint, a little teeny tiny. So good seeing you. So good. Thank you for taking the time. Thanks, sir.

1:15:19 SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we love it. Can't wait. And we'll follow up with you, and then we'll, you know, we can't wait to hear some of our listeners um jump into your program. I feel like we're gonna make our friends join us as well.

1:15:31 SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah. So all the links, we'll put everything for her on there so you can find it easily. And if you join the program, follow along with us, reach out to us. We can all do it together, support each other. And$37. $37.

1:15:46 SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, yeah, sure. Okay, well, you have a wonderful night. Have a wonderful night, and we'll thank you. You guys are amazing. Thank you. Bye. We'll see you. Bye.